Cadavre Esquis
Submitted by phil hargreaves on Tue, 2007-05-15 02:04.
This is the thread for discussions on the content of the Cadavre Esquis site at
www.cadavreesquis.whi-music.co.uk
it could be practical stuff about how to do the recording, it could be musicians commenting on each other's contributions, or it could be from people who've listened to something on the site and want to chip in.
Briefly, Cadavre Esquis is a site where the musicians of freejazz.org can take part in intercontinental collaboration, overdubbing their contributions on each other's playing and uploading it for the world to audition; see the site itself for more details.
collaging
Mr Chagas has added an alto sax layer to 'Collage'
phil hargreaves
whi music
another slew
of stuff:
two new seeds, 'Vassar's Billows' by Lee Noyes and 'Prelude III: Solitary Night' by Ng Shyh Poh
plus bass layers by Mr Duplant on 'Mouse on the Piano' and 'Blocks'
phil hargreaves
whi music
month of the living dead
and that is a mighty fine layer on Blocks there from M. Duplant, bravo, sir!
we walk the earth
month of the living dead, indeed.
Mr Chagas has added a soprano sax layer to 'Vassar's Billows'.
phil hargreaves
whi music
hiaitus
i'm going to be away for the next six days, so no new cadavres will be appearing in that time. i also have three contributions awaiting, one from Mr Chagas and two from Mr Cruciani (long time no hear!), which i haven't had time to deal with, so they'll have to wait till next week, sorry.
in the meantime, feel free to continue recording (and sending me the results), and i'll sort everything out next week when i get back.
cheers
phil hargreaves
whi music
i didn't mean...
that no-one should post anything while i've been away...
anyways, i'm back now, so start chatting again. i'm expecting that i'll update the CE site this avvy, so there'll be all sorts of goodies there shortly, as you've been a bit taciturn, but productive over the interim.
cheers
phil hargreaves
whi music
loadsa cadavres
OK - took me a bit longer to sort myself out than i thought it would, but here we have:
new seeds from M Duplant and Mr Chagas
additions to 'Collage' and 'Curare' by M Duplant
addition to 'My Deliverance' by Mr Chagas
additons to 'Vassar's Billows' and 'Not Necessarily' by Mr Cruciani (welcome back, Mr C!)
let me know if i've borked up any of the links - it was a bit hard to keep track of that many tracks. I usually do one or two at a time. That'll teach me to go away...
phil hargreaves
whi music
esnaphagus
I've enjoyed the new batch - nice to hear you've finally overcome the problems with the bass distorting, Paolo - I hope we hear much more from you (any thoughts on laying some low-end on Gesticumetric?)
I've played over the new one from Paulo - it has been a long and busy week but despite being pretty drained I'm not too dissatisfied with my playing on that particular one...! I enjoy your playing a lot, Paulo and look forward to the day I might pass thru Portugal.
Still need to catch up some Esquisite-listening, there's a lot there now and most of it deserves repeat listenings. Meanwhile the unicycling is coming along well - I've got the length of a city-block under my belt... killer on the thighs; still working on going backwards... ha!
l i f
Actually
Actually this is the best sound I can obtain with my poor microphone. The pleasure to come back to the bass was so big that I could't resist! But I think I should try to improve my recorded sound. "Gesticumetric" with the bass? I forgot that! And Lee, I still have your guitar seeds waiting... If only music was my job... (sigh...!)
I really would find the time to play all the music I need!
cheers
Love, Peace, Blessings
P.C. (aka M.Belgravius)
My noise is my life and my life is my noise
http://www.myspace.com/pcruciani
http://www.myspace.com/tourettesyndrometrio
http://www.myspace.com/thenightfarmduo
today's crop
no flies on you guys.
Already, i have a drum layer for esnaphagus, as detailed above, and M Duplant has forked 'Vassar's Billows' by adding multiple basses to the original drum seed.
phil hargreaves
whi music
Brazilian cello
Mr Qai-fi has added to 'Collage' and 'Vassar's Billows' for your delectation.
phil hargreaves
whi music
autumn seeds
new seeds from Mr Chagas (asfixia democratica, alto sax) and M Duplant (la véranda ouverte, mes enfants dans la maison, double bass). which we hope you like.
phil hargreaves
whi music
more of that cello
Qai-fi has bowed, pizzicato'd and reversed his cello all over five tracks. for your pleasure and collaboration.
phil hargreaves
whi music
Sooo much fun
This has become my favorite online community (laughs) :)
layers
hope you enjoy these then:
here's a guitar layer on esnaphagus (now a quartet) from M Duplant, and Mr Chagas has applied bass clarinet and flute to 'La Veranda'.
phil hargreaves
whi music
La Veranda
Phil, are you sure this is correct? I don't hear the cello or the bass on Mr Chagas' track, only drums!
Esnaphagus
Mr Duplant's addition here doesn't sound like it belongs to this seed either... And the mp3 is entiltled vassars...02b ithink.
hmmm - entirely correct
"Mr Duplant's addition here doesn't sound like it belongs to this seed either... And the mp3 is entiltled vassars...02b ithink."
yes, a bit of a tired cut'n'paste, so i forgot to update the links. should be orl korrect now...
phil hargreaves
whi music
While I'm at it
With the constructive criticism....
I noticed Paulo Chagas' addition to Venutian fight song is very compressed. Let's avoid too much compression on the Master bus or everything sounds smashed, ok guys?
to you hear what i hear...
--- Let's avoid too much compression on the Master bus or everything sounds smashed, ok guys?
careful.
one persons meat is anothers poision.
to my mind each artist should have the right to post what sounds good to them, not to any one person.
new branches can grow virtually anywhere.
i remember a while back someone getting upset about my heavy processing.
all in the ear of the b-flat holder...
I agree
I think creative processing can be and often is a part of our musical contributions. This is just my two cents as an experienced engineer, in the interest of having the best possible sounding mixes. I don't think Paulo's compression was meant as a creative contribution, he may correct me if I'm wrong. If everyone compresses their final mixes like that we'll have problems, compression is accumulative and if used in excess can rub out nuances in our performances.
Just a technical pointer, not meant to be a creative restraint :)
lo-fi
all good qai-fi. i know the comments were from a good place, i think everyone appreciates recording tips.
i know i do.
just a thought flag...
in this age of digital and the quest for perfection lo-fi can have a certain charm.
the squeak of tape, the crackle of dust, the humm of tubes, the squash of eq and so on.
just putting the idea out there: what is noise and so on...
Yes, I agree with Mr. Weyant
Yes, I agree with Mr. Weyant about "lo-fi charm"... Regarding CadEsq, Mr. Qai-Fi, I think it's normal to have differences: each of us has different skills about recording (mine are below zero...!) and each of us uses different equipments and software... and this has always been until now the spirit of CadEsq. Every recommendation or suggestion is welcome, however. ;)
Love, Peace, Blessings
P.C. (aka M.Belgravius)
My noise is my life and my life is my noise
http://www.myspace.com/pcruciani
http://www.myspace.com/tourettesyndrometrio
http://www.myspace.com/thenightfarmduo
Oh, me too
I looove my vintage tube gear, love manging sound for sport. Qai-fi love Lo-fi, lol. But compression is serious business and it's easy to mush up a perfectly good recording, so I do recommend caution. Take it as a recording pointer, not a creative limit.
besides...
we are working with endless overdubs over mp3 files, so I don't think we need to worry about lo-fi results! lol
Italian Bass
four layers of bass from Mr Cruciani, on Asfixia Democratica, InCage, In the Morning with Sun and My Deliverance.
and i think i remembered to update the links this time, so you might actually be able to hear them.
phil hargreaves
whi music
new seed
and it's from Mr Chagas, playing bamboo flute on 'Oh Ai Meu Bem'. Which i'm trusting isn't something rude in a language i don't speak.
phil hargreaves
whi music
If you don't know....
I'm not gonna tell you!
HAHAHAHAHA!:)
Working on a layer for this one right... now!
New LAyer
Hi Phil, dig you get the layer I sent for this one?
Cheers
Qai-fi
Yes, i dig
and here it is...
phil hargreaves
whi music
Happy New Year
welcome to 2010, and the first cadavre contributor of the year is...ME! Yes, i finally got my shit together and did some recording, so here's layers for oh ai meu bem and Vassar's Billows. Which i hope you like, and that it starts some CE action into motion as well.
phil hargreaves
whi music
Very nice man!
Great start for a promising year!
I'll be joining in soon....
All the best
Qaifi
new seed for a new year
and it's from Paulo Chagas, an oboe contribution entitled 'Varapau'.
phil hargreaves
whi music
seeding
i have for your delectelation a new seed from Mr Magee, entitled 'Moshi Moshi' and played on trumpet, even.
phil hargreaves
whi music
I like it. Nice one, phil!
I like it. Nice one, phil!
in case
in case you're wondering why Mr Magee is praising me for his own contribution (or possibly for something else - general fabbyness? boyish good looks?), he posted me this track sans title. And then claimed to have forgotten what it was called, leaving me to title it for him. All part of the service, cadavre lovers.
phil hargreaves
whi music
moshi moshi
Error 404 is regrettably all I can get out of the new Magee-solo...
trumpeting
OK, try it now for trumpeting delight...
phil hargreaves
whi music
The Dr. Copland
The Dr. Copland challenge
make 4 layers of free jazz accompaniment
a person can do one of those layers or as much as all four if they want to
free jazz soloing is optional as layers after those 4 first
accompaniment
"accompaniment" = something intended as support foundation, simpler for complexity to come later on top
this includes solo type instruments such as brass, this time playing the accompaniment or sectional type role