Cadavre Esquis
Submitted by phil hargreaves on Tue, 2007-05-15 02:04.
This is the thread for discussions on the content of the Cadavre Esquis site at
www.cadavreesquis.whi-music.co.uk
it could be practical stuff about how to do the recording, it could be musicians commenting on each other's contributions, or it could be from people who've listened to something on the site and want to chip in.
Briefly, Cadavre Esquis is a site where the musicians of freejazz.org can take part in intercontinental collaboration, overdubbing their contributions on each other's playing and uploading it for the world to audition; see the site itself for more details.
to GW
listening to 'Moksha', I'm going to have to ask what kind of instrumentation you used to make this
A Pile Of Junk
thanks for the interest massimo. moksha is a five minute segment off a one hour recording that is part of the limited box set installation: extracted earth.
those sounds are made with the kestrel 920, a segment of found lumber with a hollow resonation chamber and then various strategic items arranged to enhance the overt and micro sounds created via bowing, strumming, percussing and so on. there is minimal processing. mostly eq and some spatial enhancements.
(scroll down each page a bit for details)
more on the kestrel 920: http://www.sonicanta.com/bio.html
pics of the kestrel 920: http://www.sonicanta.com/photos.html
more on moksha (and other sounds: http://www.sonicanta.com/music.html
and oh yes...
if you like what you hear and want the whole set there's still five hours and 19 minutes of bidding time left...:^)
http://www.sonicanta.com/news.html
Forbes, ML everybody
Click on
the link on the main thread post above
they've done it
actually...
phil's done it...
actually...
not much has been 'done' yet - all i did was some basic html; if it's to be a valuable project, it'll be in people using it. Barry Chabala has signed up as well, now, btw, so things are looking OK.
should we have a little rogue's gallery of participants, do you think, so people know who they are, geographical spread etc?
phil hargreaves
whi music
actuality...
--- should we have a little rogue's gallery of participants, do you think, so people know who they are, geographical spread etc?
building off that and doc. c would it be possible to do a global map to track each trax patch? sort out a global matrix?
maybe...
we should make a little more music first..?
phil hargreaves
whi music
Mr Chabala
has entered the fray, adding a layer to 'honesty of evil thoughts'. things bubbling along nicely, waiting on bassists and drummers...
phil hargreaves
whi music
ah excellent, think I'll
ah excellent, think I'll jump in there too if you don't mind...
drawbacks
i guess it's inherent in the medium, but listening to the hargreaves/chabala duet, i couldn't help being critical of the cello player's decision making; there were moments where i felt i should have been supporting the guitar, things i should have been picking up and tossing around. of course, i couldn't hear them at the time...
phil hargreaves
whi music
drawback...
phil i can send you my guitar file and you can play over that...reverse the process and get an interesting mirror perspective ( or something like that ).
ooooh
that gets complicated, doesn't it?
actually, now Mr Magee has added another layer, it doesn't strike me the same way (oh! by the way! Massimo Magee has added another layer to 'honesty of evil thoughts.) presumably because it now sounds like i'm also supporting Mr Magee's layer, but anyway, i'm cool now.
phil hargreaves
whi music
oh. Hope I haven't messed
oh. Hope I haven't messed anything up....
no, no
quite the reverse, imo. anyway, the beauty of this layout is that it's non-destructive. anyone doesn't like what you did (by which i mean 'one', not just you in particular), the original is still there, for audition or overlaying.
incidentally, 260Mb of downloads in the first week, which is more than could be ordinarily attributed to musicians doing overdubs, so someone's listening already.
phil hargreaves
whi music
Phil & Massimo
very nice duo to start things off!
warning
i give you due warning, by the way, that i've started playing sax again, so you might well be getting some of that as well.
the horror! the horror!!
phil hargreaves
whi music
Please add to the title of this thread
If someone who looks at the front page of freejazz.org who is new or hasn't logged on in a while they wil see:
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" Cadavre Esquis
Submitted by phil hargreaves on Tue, 2007-05-15 01:04. Improvisation
This is the thread for discussions on the content of the Cadavre Esquis site at
www.cadavreesquis.whi-music.co.uk
it could be practical stuff about how to do the recording, it could be musicians commenting on each other's contributions, or it could be from people who've listened to something on the site and want to chip in."
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***People, especially those new to this site, are highly likely to pass this over not understanding what is refered to. I highly recommend you add to the heading:
CADAVRE EQUIS-
A NEW WEBSITE FOR WEB BASED FREE MUSIC COLLABORATIONS- CONTRIBUTE TRACKS FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD
wonderful! more
wonderful! more unpredictable instrumentation!
Honesty of evil thoughts not playing third download
Massimo track not playing
that's strange, I downloaded
that's strange, I downloaded it the other day and it seemed to work fine.
I just downloaded it and
I just downloaded it and listened to it, it seems to download and play just fine for me. Is the problem the downloading or the playing of the file, and if it's the playing, what are you trying to open the file with?
anyone else having a problem
anyone else having a problem with the file?
hyperspace bypass
thought I might highlight the work of phil hargreaves (capitals removed at phil's implied request) and Lee Noyes on the track 'when-if'. They've taken it in a completely different direction to what I would have expected when recording the seed track (in a good way), great stuff!
you're alert
i was just about to announce that Lee had added some drums to 'when-if'. which now seems a bit redundant, but i will continue to post 'heads up' alerts here when new content is added.
glad you're enjoying the process, Mr Magee; i guess if it didn't take things off in unexpected directions, it wouldn't really be worth doing...
phil hargreaves
whi music
when if
I didn't think the drums were redundant, but that's my completely subjective opinion. I was able to hear all three tracks including the seed Massimo and last Noyes.
but I still can't hear the Massimo track on honest of evil thoughts but I won't bother you any further it must be some glitch in my computer.
I encourage Mr. Noyes to make a couple of drum seed tracks one loud one soft because people tend to like to play on top of the drums.
Some silent gaps could also be put in where the drums drop out and come back again.
Then after others layer their instruments another layer of drums could come in just over what was those gaps but this time be in relation to being a short layer over other instruments. -just a thought
roots
thanks,
I've been playing around with some dubs... what I'm finding is the seed tracks are spawning/inspiring pieces that then sound very interesting by themselves. This has been particularly evident with pieces I've recorded using parallelism as springboard and wonder if this title is in some way a pointer for yet another take on the medium... sending out roots, as it were.
"i guess if it didn't take
"i guess if it didn't take things off in unexpected directions, it wouldn't really be worth doing..."
very true
Mr Noyes
has added some acoustic guitar to 'Parallelism'.
do we get to hear these dub mixes?
phil hargreaves
whi music
gosh darn it you beat me to
gosh darn it you beat me to it this time
some other versions are on
some other versions are on the way then...
my current take on parallelism, as posted, is guitar over cello;
ive just sent thru a track thru consisting of that take of guitar, backed with a separate take, minus the cello; both guitar-takes recorded alone with cello and then pasted together - hmmm, how to clarify.... a (1,2 + 1,3) minus 1 method as opposed to 1,2,3 - 1...?!
Also for condideration a solo piece of drums; a recording made while playing with phil's parallelist cello but minus the cello... abandoned due to both recording time on my MD running out.. and my weekend! Hope this suits someones tastes.
Maybe Massimo is willing to go parallel? spawn a new branch? I'd love to hear your version of events!
refraction
This new batch of material sounds intriguing.....
"ive just sent thru a track thru consisting of that take of guitar, backed with a separate take, minus the cello"
to PH: sounds like rules are already being bent......
"Maybe Massimo is willing to go parallel? spawn a new branch?"
I was going to leave parallelism, because it seemed like there was a nice all-string vibe going on....but maybe the ukelele....
at any rate, I'm going to try to finish making my new flute first.....
mass of new content
Mr Weyant has got access to a Wi-Fi network, so there's a rush of new content from him, plus a new seed for 'parallelism', as Lee Noyes has posted his guitar from the first layer as a separate seed in its own right.
No-one, i notice, has tackled 'Moksha' yet - i'm getting my tenor back from the menders next week, so that's one of the jobs earmarked for it. but don't let me inhibit anyone else in the meantime.
Both me and Mr Magee have other seed tracks in reserve, which i'll post in a day or two.
phil hargreaves
whi music
Concerning Mr. Weyant
When our recordings pass through his hands it suddenly seems as if we have been transported into a fast-moving underwater train. While this does provide a very interesting new perspective, too often I think people are buried (witness Mr. Noyes drums on when-if - where did they go?). Is this intentional, or a side-effect of your recording process? I'm not trying to provoke a fork here - I really liked your addition to when-if, it turned it back towards the electronic-music route I tried to allude to with my amplifier, but naturally went far further (a good thing) - but it would be nice if the other players were not obscured so much. On 'Honesty of Evil Thoughts', for example, I put myself in the right channel only, to stop things getting too cluttered, perhaps you could do something similar?
Did anyone else notice this underwater-train effect?
below the riptide
massimo,
everything was intentional but please feel to edit, fork or whatever you think is needed to suit your vision of how my contribution should sound. i had fun messing with the files and i'm done w/it for now. but ya know, i thought the idea was to rework and create and build and so on. new directions, mutation and so on. this was my sonic two cents for what it was worth. nothing was omitted. only altered. but i get confused by rules so i might have missed something. oh look a shiny thing. i'm gonna watch that for awhile...
I see what you mean. In the
I see what you mean. In the context of this project I tend to step back and view things as if they were recorded in a live performance, so your new additions seem as if either all our inputs were routed through some kind of electronics deck or processor which you were controlling (a la Stockhausen and his intuitive music), or you were playing incredibly loudly (loud enough to drown out the drums). Either way of looking at it jars somewhat with my conception of an all-players-equal improvised performance, but these things do happen I am sure. At any rate as phil hargreaves said before, that's the beauty of this project, to have all these multiple versions/dimensions co-existing...
live or hyper-real
all players are equal. that is not my intention at all. but why simulate a live performance when the capability to impact space and time perceptions are available? to create a work that seems live is to offer up an illusion. why not utilize all the possibilities? the previous work did not vanish, nor is my contribution the end. perhaps someone will take the whole thing and chop into segments the repair it via loops. perhaps someone will time stretch it into an hour. eventually if taken to the extreme it is inevitable that tracks will fade away while others become dominate. there is only so much range possible and with each addition something is gained/something lost. why not revisit and add something new? pull the taffy your way. feed the monkey a squid. in my mind this is a geologic process, stuff bubbles up, hardens, cracks, layers form and vanish, lava obliterates, new structures form. and there is a record of it all. imagine what these tracks would look like in a year. would it be possible to hear 100 people all clear and distinct?
exterminate all expectations.
equalize it
--- all players are equal. that is not my intention at all.
er ah make that... all players are equal...that IS my intention. although...
I'm thinking obscursions may
I'm thinking obscursions may be down to a bit-rate issue.... since it took me 4 mins on dialup to download Glenn's take and about 40 to download Massimo's...
Otherwise I'm into as many forks as there are people listening
btw - phil you are doing a wonderful job!
thanks,
lnoyes
bitus fugit
hmm, you're right....if you compare the file sizes you can see it
any chance of a Hi-Fi version, Glenn?
when you come to a fork in the road....take it...
hmm, you're right....if you compare the file sizes you can see it
any chance of a Hi-Fi version, Glenn?
hey man it's my fork and this is where i'm sticking it. dig it or don't it's my right right?
but ya know, l.n. nailed it. it is a lower rez. version.
did it in a hotel on the road (wi-fi!)then deleted it all to make room for another project.
but there is charm in the lo-fi approach imho. and i thought i'd offer something for all the dial-up boys and goils who do not have the time for 8 megs and up as well. takes all kinds i suppose eh? forge ahead. viva cadavre esquis! fiddle dee dee. and so on...
clam caravan anyone
hmmm... is this becoming spinal tap...
turn it up to 11...
you played it in the hotel?
you played it in the hotel? That must have been interesting for the other guests.......
fair enough on the lo fi
fo
fum
how loud is the Kestrel 920 to your ears as you play it? I mean, you had to have used amplification to get those sounds on moksha, right?
freeee jazzz baaabbbyyy
--- you played it in the hotel? That must have been interesting for the other guests.......
actually mixed etc. but it was not as interesting as the vibrations of the magic fingers bed. naturally when i started moaning loudly: freeee jazzz baaabbbyyy someone wound up calling the cops and everything went to shit...
well, we've all been
well, we've all been there.....
LIVE FROM THE DEW DROP INN!
--- well, we've all been there.....
i guess that explains the cigarette burns on the couch and all the spilled beer.
........well who needs beer
........well who needs beer when you've got free jazz?
me
--- ........well who needs beer when you've got free jazz?
i do.
"would it be possible to
"would it be possible to hear 100 people all clear and distinct?"
are we going to get 100 people????
music for 100
"are we going to get 100 people????"
well, they are out there. 100 would need a different layout of the site, though, that's for sure. and probably i'd need some sort of administrative assistance.
phil hargreaves
whi music